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Strange way for France to end a dispute with a very small country : Rwanda
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2023-05-30 15:54:19 UTC
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This nevertheless gives a result : the Duclert report

The Duclert report is a disinformation operation: shameful, cowardly, repugnant, unworthy of France.

President Macron set up a commission of historians to deny the French complicity in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. After studying the archives related to the French involvement in the Rwandan pogrom, Vincent Duclert comes to this conclusion: France was not an accomplice in the Rwandan genocide of 1994. While scientists, who have also studied some archives, quickly discover the opposite.

France was an accomplice in the Rwandan genocide. Here is some evidence:

1. active support.

2. informed support. That is, support while the French government was informed about the course of the genocide.

3. support with an effect.

In the middle of a debacle, the evidence of complicity accumulates. The members of the interim government of Rwanda who orchestrated the genocide escaped thanks to the complicity of Paris.

Indeed, the Quai d'Orsay, irritated by the presence of members of the interim government in the Turquoise zone, ordered the soldiers to help them flee to Zaire.

During the genocide, contrary to what had been said, there were a few dozen French soldiers, two teams of mercenaries, that of Paul Barril and that of Bob Denard, as well as an intelligence service, on Rwandan territory.

In english :

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/-archives-show-french-complicity-in-rwandan-genocide-/2116673#

https://globalnews.ca/news/5137073/rwanda-genocide-photos-facts/

In french :

https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/quand-paris-exfiltrait-le-gouvernement-genocidaire-rwandais

https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/nouveau-rapport-rwanda-les-mercenaires-invisibles-les-archives-de-la-dgse
Keith Willshaw
2023-06-13 16:42:30 UTC
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This nevertheless gives a result : the Duclert report
The Duclert report is a disinformation operation: shameful, cowardly, repugnant, unworthy of France.
President Macron set up a commission of historians to deny the French complicity in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. After studying the archives related to the French involvement in the Rwandan pogrom, Vincent Duclert comes to this conclusion: France was not an accomplice in the Rwandan genocide of 1994. While scientists, who have also studied some archives, quickly discover the opposite.
1. active support.
2. informed support. That is, support while the French government was informed about the course of the genocide.
3. support with an effect.
In the middle of a debacle, the evidence of complicity accumulates. The members of the interim government of Rwanda who orchestrated the genocide escaped thanks to the complicity of Paris.
Indeed, the Quai d'Orsay, irritated by the presence of members of the interim government in the Turquoise zone, ordered the soldiers to help them flee to Zaire.
During the genocide, contrary to what had been said, there were a few dozen French soldiers, two teams of mercenaries, that of Paul Barril and that of Bob Denard, as well as an intelligence service, on Rwandan territory.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/-archives-show-french-complicity-in-rwandan-genocide-/2116673#
https://globalnews.ca/news/5137073/rwanda-genocide-photos-facts/
https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/quand-paris-exfiltrait-le-gouvernement-genocidaire-rwandais
https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/nouveau-rapport-rwanda-les-mercenaires-invisibles-les-archives-de-la-dgse
The basis for the Genocide was actually the Belgians who officially
classified all Rwandans as either Twa, Hutu or Tutsi, all citizens were
issued with an ID card identifying which group they fell in. Worse the
christian missionaries defined the Tutsi as ousiders thus reinforcing
Hutu stereotypes. Civil wars are never pretty but are far worse when
they involve 2 or more ethnic or religious groups. See The Troubles Ulster.

Like the jews in Germany the Tutsi were blamed for everything that went
wrong. By the time the French peacekkeprs arrived it was far too little
and too late, 1/2 million Tutsu were dead and most of the survivors had
regrouped and later fought back very effectively. 2500 lighly armed
soldiers were in no position to intervene.

The Twa (pygmies) were virtually wiped out. The Catholic Church in
Rwanda aided and abetted those carrying out the masscre.
The Natural Philosopher
2023-06-13 18:59:28 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
This nevertheless gives a result : the Duclert report
The Duclert report is a disinformation operation: shameful, cowardly,
repugnant, unworthy of France.
President Macron set up a commission of historians to deny the French
complicity in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. After studying the archives
related to the French involvement in the Rwandan pogrom, Vincent
Duclert comes to this conclusion: France was not an accomplice in the
Rwandan genocide of 1994. While scientists, who have also studied some
archives, quickly discover the opposite.
1. active support.
2. informed support. That is, support while the French government was
informed about the course of       the genocide.
3. support with an effect.
In the middle of a debacle, the evidence of complicity accumulates.
The members of the interim government of Rwanda who orchestrated the
genocide escaped thanks to the complicity of Paris.
Indeed, the Quai d'Orsay, irritated by the presence of members of the
interim government in the Turquoise zone, ordered the soldiers to help
them flee to Zaire.
During the genocide, contrary to what had been said, there were a few
dozen French soldiers, two teams of mercenaries, that of Paul Barril
and that of Bob Denard, as well as an intelligence service, on Rwandan
territory.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/-archives-show-french-complicity-in-rwandan-genocide-/2116673#
https://globalnews.ca/news/5137073/rwanda-genocide-photos-facts/
https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/quand-paris-exfiltrait-le-gouvernement-genocidaire-rwandais
https://survie.org/themes/genocide-des-tutsis-au-rwanda/article/nouveau-rapport-rwanda-les-mercenaires-invisibles-les-archives-de-la-dgse
The basis for the Genocide was actually the Belgians who officially
classified all Rwandans as either Twa, Hutu or Tutsi, all citizens were
issued with an ID card identifying which group they fell in. Worse the
christian missionaries defined the Tutsi as ousiders thus reinforcing
Hutu stereotypes. Civil wars are never pretty but are far worse when
they involve 2 or more ethnic or religious groups. See The Troubles Ulster.
Like the jews in Germany the Tutsi were blamed for everything that went
wrong. By the time the French peacekkeprs arrived it was far too little
and too late, 1/2 million Tutsu were dead and most of the survivors had
regrouped and later fought back very effectively. 2500 lighly armed
soldiers were in no position to intervene.
The Twa (pygmies) were virtually wiped out. The Catholic Church in
Rwanda aided and abetted those carrying out the masscre.
The Twa were hated by everyone for being light fingered hunter gatherers
who did their hunter gathering in towns and villages, with other peoples
property, and who smelt abominably. Never washed.

Approximately equivalent to the diddicoys here. The lawless period was
a great excuse to solve that problem once and for all.
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diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
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Keith Willshaw
2023-06-17 12:19:56 UTC
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The Twa were hated by everyone for being light fingered hunter gatherers
who did their hunter gathering in towns and villages, with other peoples
property,  and who smelt abominably. Never washed.
Approximately equivalent  to the diddicoys here. The lawless period was
a great excuse to solve that problem once and for all.
Tell me just when did you encounter the Twa ?

Which other minority groups would you like to be the subjects of genocide ?
The Natural Philosopher
2023-06-17 12:58:11 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
The Twa were hated by everyone for being light fingered hunter
gatherers who did their hunter gathering in towns and villages, with
other peoples property,  and who smelt abominably. Never washed.
Approximately equivalent  to the diddicoys here. The lawless period
was a great excuse to solve that problem once and for all.
Tell me just when did you encounter the Twa ?
An old girlfriend had visited Rwanda before it all started, to 'see the
gorillas' . That was her summary of how they were regarded there.
Post by Keith Willshaw
Which other minority groups would you like to be the subjects of genocide ?
Leading question. When did you stop fucking your daughter.

The Twa were and are not my concern, but they were widely hated by both
Hutu and Tutsi.

The 'solution; was for them, not me. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Keith Willshaw
2023-06-23 13:06:47 UTC
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An old girlfriend had visited Rwanda before it all started, to 'see the
gorillas' . That was her summary of how they were regarded there.
The Twas were physically small human hunter gatherers - gorilla's are
neither.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Keith Willshaw
Which other minority groups would you like to be the subjects of genocide ?
Leading question. When did you stop fucking your daughter.
The Twa were and are  not my concern, but they were widely hated by both
Hutu and Tutsi.
The 'solution; was for them, not me. Don't shoot the messenger.
As so what happened to the Twa was a final solution, where have I heard
that before ?
The Natural Philosopher
2023-06-23 13:45:43 UTC
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Post by Keith Willshaw
Post by The Natural Philosopher
An old girlfriend had visited Rwanda before it all started, to 'see
the gorillas' . That was her summary of how they were regarded there.
The Twas were physically small human hunter gatherers - gorilla's are
neither.
???? so what?
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Keith Willshaw
Which other minority groups would you like to be the subjects of genocide ?
Leading question. When did you stop fucking your daughter.
The Twa were and are  not my concern, but they were widely hated by
both Hutu and Tutsi.
The 'solution; was for them, not me. Don't shoot the messenger.
As so what happened to the Twa was a final solution, where have I heard
that before ?
I dont know whether it was or not. I don't have a dog in this fight.
I merely remarked that racism and genocide are not the province of
Britain or the British alone.
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