Discussion:
Public showers?
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Gus Honeybun
2004-09-29 13:52:02 UTC
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I'm having my bathroom renovated, and am currently without washing
facilities, and I'm likely to be for the next week or so. Whilst friends
are happy to let me use their places, I'd prefer to be a bit self
sufficient. Are there any public places in Cambridge where I could get a
proper (private) shower? Being a modest type of chap, sudding up my
genitals in the swimming pool showers isn't really my style...
Vicky Larmour
2004-09-29 14:18:07 UTC
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Post by Gus Honeybun
I'm having my bathroom renovated, and am currently without
washing facilities, and I'm likely to be for the next week or
so. Whilst friends are happy to let me use their places, I'd
prefer to be a bit self sufficient. Are there any public places
in Cambridge where I could get a proper (private) shower? Being
a modest type of chap, sudding up my genitals in the swimming
pool showers isn't really my style...
Dunno about the gents side, but at Parkside the ladies' showers are
in individual cubicles which are big enough to hang a towel in etc.
You'd probably have to pay to swim, though.

Most (all?) of the gyms have shower facilities that they might let
you borrow without being a member?

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Gareth Rees
2004-09-29 21:16:48 UTC
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Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno about the gents side, but at Parkside the ladies' showers are
in individual cubicles which are big enough to hang a towel in etc.
But the men's showers at Parkside are communal.

The showers at Kelsey Kerridge are communal too, but they are
pretty quiet at half past the hour since most of the facilities are
booked by the hour.
--
Gareth Rees
Mark Carroll
2004-09-30 13:07:53 UTC
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Post by Gareth Rees
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno about the gents side, but at Parkside the ladies' showers are
in individual cubicles which are big enough to hang a towel in etc.
But the men's showers at Parkside are communal.
(snip)

How interesting. Are they fairly new, too, given the other refurbishment?
I am wondering if there's some perception that women care more about such
privacy.

-- Mark
Vicky Larmour
2004-09-30 13:25:27 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
Post by Gareth Rees
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno about the gents side, but at Parkside the ladies'
showers are in individual cubicles which are big enough to
hang a towel in etc.
But the men's showers at Parkside are communal.
(snip)
How interesting. Are they fairly new, too, given the other
refurbishment? I am wondering if there's some perception that
women care more about such privacy.
Dunno. In Abbey Pool it's just one lot of completely communal showers
for men and women, and almost everyone keeps their cozzies on.

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Mark Carroll
2004-09-30 13:58:19 UTC
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In article <***@81.104.194.28>,
Vicky Larmour <***@jifvik.org> wrote:
(snip)
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno. In Abbey Pool it's just one lot of completely communal showers
for men and women, and almost everyone keeps their cozzies on.
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not quite
everyone keeps their cozzies on?

-- Mark
Vicky Larmour
2004-09-30 14:33:24 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
(snip)
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno. In Abbey Pool it's just one lot of completely communal
showers for men and women, and almost everyone keeps their
cozzies on.
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not
quite everyone keeps their cozzies on?
No, it is just one lot of completely communal ones. Most of the
people I've seen showering cozzie-off have been women (but that may
be because nekkid men run away and hide when they see me approaching
:-))

Of course it's also Abbey where they had all the trouble with lechers
drilling holes in the cubicle walls.

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Robert Hunt
2004-09-30 17:25:13 UTC
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Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Carroll
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not
quite everyone keeps their cozzies on?
No, it is just one lot of completely communal ones. Most of the
people I've seen showering cozzie-off have been women (but that may
be because nekkid men run away and hide when they see me approaching
That's really surprising - I would have thought that a man who stripped
off in the showers in front of a group of women'n'children in cozzies
could have been arrested for indecent exposure, given that the
women'n'children might not have anticipated the possibility of
nakedness...
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-30 20:02:11 UTC
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In article <***@cam.ac.uk>, Robert Hunt <***@cam.ac.uk>
writes
Post by Robert Hunt
Post by Vicky Larmour
No, it is just one lot of completely communal ones. Most of the
people I've seen showering cozzie-off have been women (but that may
be because nekkid men run away and hide when they see me approaching
That's really surprising - I would have thought that a man who stripped
off in the showers in front of a group of women'n'children in cozzies
could have been arrested for indecent exposure, given that the
women'n'children might not have anticipated the possibility of
nakedness...
Since the recent change in the law, only if he *intended* to shock them.
--
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Tony
2004-10-04 12:02:30 UTC
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Post by Robert Hunt
Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Carroll
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not
quite everyone keeps their cozzies on?
No, it is just one lot of completely communal ones. Most of the
people I've seen showering cozzie-off have been women (but that may
be because nekkid men run away and hide when they see me approaching
That's really surprising - I would have thought that a man who stripped
off in the showers in front of a group of women'n'children in cozzies
could have been arrested for indecent exposure, given that the
women'n'children might not have anticipated the possibility of
nakedness...
I havent been to Abbey pool for a while, but I thought there was a
notice saying that costumes MUST be worn in the showers. Mind you,
putting up a notice and policing are different things....
Simon Morris
2004-10-05 10:16:59 UTC
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Post by Robert Hunt
Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Carroll
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not
quite everyone keeps their cozzies on?
No, it is just one lot of completely communal ones. Most of the
people I've seen showering cozzie-off have been women (but that may
be because nekkid men run away and hide when they see me approaching
That's really surprising - I would have thought that a man who stripped
off in the showers in front of a group of women'n'children in cozzies
could have been arrested for indecent exposure, given that the
women'n'children might not have anticipated the possibility of
nakedness...
There are (or at least used to be) women-only sessions at the Abbey -
perhaps that's when the cozzies come off.

S.
Mark Ayliffe
2004-09-30 14:42:01 UTC
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On or about 2004-09-30,
Post by Mark Carroll
(snip)
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno. In Abbey Pool it's just one lot of completely communal showers
for men and women, and almost everyone keeps their cozzies on.
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not quite
everyone keeps their cozzies on?
The main showers are indeed completely communal, but there are separate ones
in the family/disabled changing rooms. Or were last time I was there. There
may also be showers in the (gender specific) loos BICBW.
--
Mark
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Vicky Larmour
2004-09-30 15:08:02 UTC
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Post by Mark Ayliffe
On or about 2004-09-30,
Post by Mark Carroll
(snip)
Post by Vicky Larmour
Dunno. In Abbey Pool it's just one lot of completely communal
showers for men and women, and almost everyone keeps their
cozzies on.
Is it quite one lot of completely communal showers - are there
separate ones, one for men and one for women, given that not
quite everyone keeps their cozzies on?
The main showers are indeed completely communal, but there are
separate ones in the family/disabled changing rooms. Or were
last time I was there.
True, I'd forgotten those. I'd actually rather those showers weren't
there as they make the whole room so soggy that there's nowhere to
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an extra
towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could actually put
Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal changing rooms - much
easier!
Post by Mark Ayliffe
There may also be showers in the (gender
specific) loos BICBW.
There aren't any in the ladies AFAICR, BICBWT!

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Mark Ayliffe
2004-09-30 16:12:13 UTC
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On or about 2004-09-30,
Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Ayliffe
The main showers are indeed completely communal, but there are
separate ones in the family/disabled changing rooms. Or were
last time I was there.
True, I'd forgotten those. I'd actually rather those showers weren't
there as they make the whole room so soggy that there's nowhere to
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels).
I agree wholeheartedly!
Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Ayliffe
There may also be showers in the (gender
specific) loos BICBW.
There aren't any in the ladies AFAICR, BICBWT!
OK, we tend to use Impington VC these days as it's nearer, cheaper
unaffected by whether Cambridge are playing Association Football and a
little more pleasant. I was probably conflating the two. But possibly there
aren't showers in the loos at Impintgon either and I'm just getting old &
forgetful.
--
Mark
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DesOJobber
2004-10-01 12:43:26 UTC
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Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an extra
towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could actually put
Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal changing rooms - much
easier!
Vicky
I don't know who Matthew is.
DesOJ
Mark Carroll
2004-10-01 12:56:45 UTC
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Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an extra
towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could actually put
Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal changing rooms - much
(snip)
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.

-- Mark
Vicky Larmour
2004-10-01 14:24:45 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
changing rooms - much
(snip)
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.
Correct. I'd assumed that that would be easily inferred from the
content of the post, for those who didn't already know anyway.

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
DesOJobber
2004-10-03 17:38:42 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
changing rooms - much
(snip)
Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.
Correct. I'd assumed that that would be easily inferred from the
content of the post, for those who didn't already know anyway.
Vicky
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
DesOJ
Mark Ayliffe
2004-10-03 19:11:54 UTC
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On or about 2004-10-03,
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Mark Carroll
(snip)
Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.
Correct. I'd assumed that that would be easily inferred from the
content of the post, for those who didn't already know anyway.
Vicky
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
Well quite a lot of us have met Matthew. Seems like it might be near time
for another pubmeet...
--
Mark
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Matthew Vernon
2004-10-04 10:35:34 UTC
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Post by Mark Ayliffe
Well quite a lot of us have met Matthew. Seems like it might be near time
I've been to several of the pub-meets :)

Matthew
[1]yes, I know.
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Vicky Larmour
2004-10-04 10:43:21 UTC
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Post by Mark Ayliffe
On or about 2004-10-03,
Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests
that everyone already knows of this person and their name -
when... they don't.
Well, conversely, I find it rather irritating when people persist on
referring to "my son" or "my partner" or whatever when many/most
people present know the name of the person being referred to. So
pbtbtbtbtb :-)
Post by Mark Ayliffe
Well quite a lot of us have met Matthew. Seems like it might be
near time for another pubmeet...
Good idea!

Vicky
--
"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room
three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Mark Carroll
2004-10-04 13:38:59 UTC
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Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Ayliffe
On or about 2004-10-03,
Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests
that everyone already knows of this person and their name -
when... they don't.
Well, conversely, I find it rather irritating when people persist on
referring to "my son" or "my partner" or whatever when many/most
people present know the name of the person being referred to. So
pbtbtbtbtb :-)
Mmmm, yes. I find that people tend to prefer me to start using names
if I can make the person's relationship to me clear from context.
Post by Vicky Larmour
Post by Mark Ayliffe
Well quite a lot of us have met Matthew. Seems like it might be
near time for another pubmeet...
Good idea!
Noted. (-:

-- Mark
Linda Fox
2004-10-03 19:41:40 UTC
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Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
But Des, are you really saying that when you read
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
changing rooms
it wasn't glaringly obvious? Did you think she was talking about her
husband?

Linda ff
Jonathan Larmour
2004-10-04 00:31:27 UTC
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Post by Linda Fox
But Des, are you really saying that when you read
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
changing rooms
it wasn't glaringly obvious? Did you think she was talking about her
husband?
Yes, I haven't needed a changing table for, ooo, weeks now ;-). Maybe
it would be nice to be like Prince Charles and have someone to wipe
your bum for you ;).

Jifl
--
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DesOJobber
2004-10-04 18:58:31 UTC
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Post by Linda Fox
Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
But Des, are you really saying that when you read
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
it wasn't glaringly obvious? Did you think she was talking about her
husband?
Linda ff
No, I'm not saying that. And it's not the point. (For the point, re-read above.) :-)
DesOJ
Linda Fox
2004-10-04 22:51:28 UTC
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Post by DesOJobber
Post by Linda Fox
Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
But Des, are you really saying that when you read
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
it wasn't glaringly obvious? Did you think she was talking about her
husband?
Linda ff
No, I'm not saying that. And it's not the point. (For the point, re-read above.) :-)
DesOJ
No. Your point was that _you_ didn't know. But you should have
considered the fact that most regular contributors and lurkers
possibly did know, which would have explained why she didn't preface
the name with "my x-month-old son", and for anyone who didn't already
know, the context filled it in.

It's a neat skill in writing; I have a feeling they call it
exposition: in introducing the setting and the characters, how much to
explain, how much to allow the reader to infer from the context, and
how much to leave them guessing and scratching their heads over. And
when a writer seems to get it just right (for you) it can be a
delight.

Linda ff
DesOJobber
2004-10-05 13:45:21 UTC
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Post by Linda Fox
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Linda Fox
Post by DesOJobber
Quite. I just find rather irritating the habit of introducing
someone's name into a conversation - in a way that suggests that
everyone already knows of this person and their name - when... they
don't.
But Des, are you really saying that when you read
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an
extra towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could
actually put Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal
it wasn't glaringly obvious? Did you think she was talking about her
husband?
Linda ff
No, I'm not saying that. And it's not the point. (For the point, re-read above.) :-)
DesOJ
No. Your point was that _you_ didn't know. But you should have
considered the fact that most regular contributors and lurkers
possibly did know, which would have explained why she didn't preface
the name with "my x-month-old son", and for anyone who didn't already
know, the context filled it in.
It's a neat skill in writing; I have a feeling they call it
exposition: in introducing the setting and the characters, how much to
explain, how much to allow the reader to infer from the context, and
how much to leave them guessing and scratching their heads over. And
when a writer seems to get it just right (for you) it can be a
delight.
Linda ff
It's best not to tell me what my point was when you can read just
above to see that it wasn't. Anyroad, it irritates me, it doesn't you.
Sorted.
DesOJ
Linda Fox
2004-10-05 22:22:25 UTC
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Post by DesOJobber
It's best not to tell me what my point was when you can read just
above to see that it wasn't.
Then you'd better spell out in words of one syllable what your point
was, because you've sure as hell made it so obscure that I can't tell.
All I can tell is that you don't like people using just names under
the impression that you know who they're talking about, when you
actually don't, and I have pointed out to you that in fact the
majority of people here do know in this case. If you're in a roomful
of strangers who, however, know each other, do you expect them to talk
to each other about "my wife, Angela" or "my son Michael" just for
your benefit?

So that irritates you? Scratch away, dear boy.

Linda ff
DesOJobber
2004-10-06 12:49:21 UTC
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Post by Linda Fox
Post by DesOJobber
It's best not to tell me what my point was when you can read just
above to see that it wasn't.
Then you'd better spell out in words of one syllable what your point
was, because you've sure as hell made it so obscure that I can't tell.
I've made it, (I think I can say) succintly and clearly. You (as I
said) disagree with it. The End.
Post by Linda Fox
All I can tell is that you don't like people using just names under
the impression that you know who they're talking about, when you
actually don't, and I have pointed out to you that in fact the
majority of people here do know in this case.
I would imagine it's impossible for you to know that this is true.
Post by Linda Fox
If you're in a roomful
of strangers who, however, know each other, do you expect them to talk
to each other about "my wife, Angela" or "my son Michael" just for
your benefit?
A patently absurd and inappropriate comparison.
Post by Linda Fox
So that irritates you? Scratch away, dear boy.
Linda ff
Calm down, old girl.
DesOJ

Gropius Riftwynde
2004-10-01 16:10:35 UTC
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On 01 Oct 2004 13:56:45 +0100 (BST), Mark Carroll
Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an extra
towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could actually put
Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal changing rooms - much
(snip)
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.
-- Mark
Evidently they haven't given him an email account yet.

GR
Tim Ward
2004-10-01 16:22:17 UTC
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Post by Gropius Riftwynde
Evidently they haven't given him an email account yet.
Slow. I'm sure I've received birth announcements from the baby's *domain*,
let alone email account.

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Jonathan Larmour
2004-10-01 16:37:43 UTC
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Post by Gropius Riftwynde
On 01 Oct 2004 13:56:45 +0100 (BST), Mark Carroll
Post by Mark Carroll
Post by DesOJobber
Post by Vicky Larmour
put stuff (babies, bags, clothes, towels). I used to bring an extra
towel to put on the changing table thingy so I could actually put
Matthew on it. Now we just use the normal changing rooms - much
(snip)
Post by DesOJobber
I don't know who Matthew is.
Vicky's young son, still a toddler.
Evidently they haven't given him an email account yet.
Just because he doesn't know how to use it yet doesn't me he doesn't
have one ;-). If you tried it, it would work[1].

Jifl
[1] By the simple expedient of _everything_ @jifvik.org working.
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c***@arm.nospam.com
2004-09-30 13:35:59 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
How interesting. Are they fairly new, too, given the other refurbishment?
I am wondering if there's some perception that women care more about such
privacy.
Can't comment on this instance but it does seem to be generally
the case. The tennis club I play at has a communal mens shower but
separate female ones.

Chris
Nick Wagg
2004-09-29 15:13:36 UTC
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...Are there any public places in Cambridge where I could get a
proper (private) shower?...
When I was in very poor digs while at Birmingham University
I often used to soak in one of the huge baths that were in the
basement of the Union building. The sides of the baths came
to halfway up my thighs and when I turned the taps on full,
the water would gush in an arc around the bath and out of the
opposite "corner". Bath, water, towel & soap all for 15p.

Perhaps one of the Cambridge colleges has some similar
arrangement that you could (sneakily) avail yourself of?
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-29 15:44:31 UTC
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Post by Nick Wagg
Perhaps one of the Cambridge colleges has some similar
arrangement that you could (sneakily) avail yourself of?
There used to be a bath-house in Sidney Sussex, and people were still
using it in the 70's. It was along the Chapel Wall in South Court. I
think it was eventually demolished to make way for a hyperspace^H^H^H
Mong Building. They didn't have the cycle park either in those days, it
was a fellows' car park.

http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/vtour/panoramas/south.html

ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
--
"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"
Deryck
2004-09-29 17:07:04 UTC
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----- Original Message ----- >
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
Its the Java ptviewer class.

"The PTViewer, from Prof. Helmut Dersch, is a Java viewer that is one of
the best viewers available. Prof. Dersch has given a great deal of
attention to image quality issues in the PTViewer. The viewer also provides
a rich set of features. "

Google for more information.

Cheers

Deryck

PS. Sorry I mailed that directly to you by mistake the first time Roland
Gropius Riftwynde
2004-09-29 17:11:46 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:07:04 +0100, "Deryck"
Post by Deryck
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Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
Its the Java ptviewer class.
"The PTViewer, from Prof. Helmut Dersch, is a Java viewer that is one of
the best viewers available. Prof. Dersch has given a great deal of
attention to image quality issues in the PTViewer. The viewer also provides
a rich set of features. "
Google for more information.
Cheers
Deryck
PS. Sorry I mailed that directly to you by mistake the first time Roland
I wonder if Prof Helmut Dersch is the slightest bit aware that anyone
with a net connection and is concerned with net security is not going
to use Java at all.

GR
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-29 17:12:11 UTC
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Post by Deryck
PS. Sorry I mailed that directly to you by mistake the first time Roland
er, no problem. I get about a thousand a day. One more doesn't make any
difference! (You were only 3.4% likely to be spam, so quite acceptable,
really).
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"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"
Jules
2004-09-29 18:21:30 UTC
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Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
A camera? :-)

Seriously, most digital cameras come with software to stitch
photos together into a panorama, or there are commercial bits of software
available cheaply (I've not found anything under Linux to do it, but not
looked in a while). I have a feeling my camera even has some built in
whatsit to help take such panoramas, but Gawd knows how that works - never
needed to use it so far)

From there you just need an image viewer (in this case a Java applet with
a few controls) which can display a narrow segment of the 360 degree
image. Dead easy.

There was a prog around a few years ago (iPix??) which would allow
viewing in two dimensions (i.e. you could move up/down as well as
left/right) but I haven't seen mention of it in quite some time -
presumably it fell by the wayside as something that was gimmicky but not
very practical for anything (and it was an ActiveX control IIRC, so
Windows-only)

cheers,

Jules
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-29 18:06:00 UTC
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Post by Jules
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
A camera? :-)
Seriously, most digital cameras come with software to stitch
photos together into a panorama,
Yes, I've got that. Although it doesn't do the final stitch to make it
into a cylinder.
Post by Jules
From there you just need an image viewer (in this case a Java applet with
a few controls) which can display a narrow segment of the 360 degree
image. Dead easy.
The difference here is the way the perspective changes as you pan,
rather than simply scrolling around the inside of a fixed cylinder.
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"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"
Jules
2004-09-29 19:45:02 UTC
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Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
Post by Jules
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
A camera? :-)
Seriously, most digital cameras come with software to stitch
photos together into a panorama,
Yes, I've got that. Although it doesn't do the final stitch to make it
into a cylinder.
Post by Jules
From there you just need an image viewer (in this case a Java applet with
a few controls) which can display a narrow segment of the 360 degree
image. Dead easy.
The difference here is the way the perspective changes as you pan,
rather than simply scrolling around the inside of a fixed cylinder.
Hmmmmmmm... (in bold, 12pt)

I do remember that the one time I did try some photo-stitch software a few
years ago, it had all sorts of adjustments that could be made to force
perspective of the final image (lens settings and the like)

The input image appears to be here:

Loading Image...

presumably the applet just maps the image onto the inside of a sphere for
display or something?

I'm missing the point as to why at the moment though. Wouldn't a cylinder
give a nicer effect (none of the warping at the corners) as well as
simplifying the input image somewhat? Or is that viewer actually a
lot cleverer than it looks and in this instance they just haven't
enabled most of the controls? Grumble, brain not working at all this
evening!

cheers

Jules
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-29 21:23:33 UTC
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Post by Jules
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
The difference here is the way the perspective changes as you pan,
rather than simply scrolling around the inside of a fixed cylinder.
Hmmmmmmm... (in bold, 12pt)
I do remember that the one time I did try some photo-stitch software a few
years ago, it had all sorts of adjustments that could be made to force
perspective of the final image (lens settings and the like)
Yes, to make them join up you need to distort the pictures according to
the original lens geometry. If you shoot with a wide angle lens you end
up joining lots of lozenge-shaped sections together, and having to crop
quite a bit top and bottom.
Post by Jules
http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/vtour/panoramas/images/south.jpg
That's interesting, the image there is *much* more barrel-distorted than
you get when you do a normal stitch.

Compare with the perspective in the panorama on this page I uploaded
some time ago:

http://roland-tourist.fotopic.net/c98064.html

That's about 180 degrees across (5 individual shots and the "railway
arches" are a straight line in real life).
Post by Jules
presumably the applet just maps the image onto the inside of a sphere for
display or something?
I'm missing the point as to why at the moment though. Wouldn't a cylinder
give a nicer effect (none of the warping at the corners) as well as
simplifying the input image somewhat? Or is that viewer actually a
lot cleverer than it looks and in this instance they just haven't
enabled most of the controls? Grumble, brain not working at all this
evening!
I'm not sure whether the spherical projection or a cylindrical would
look better. The spherical certainly has a "whoosh" factor!
--
"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"
Jonathan Larmour
2004-09-29 20:02:56 UTC
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Post by Jules
There was a prog around a few years ago (iPix??) which would allow
viewing in two dimensions (i.e. you could move up/down as well as
left/right) but I haven't seen mention of it in quite some time -
presumably it fell by the wayside as something that was gimmicky but not
very practical for anything (and it was an ActiveX control IIRC, so
Windows-only)
That Sidney panorama allows you to move up/down too. Click on the pic
and drag.

Jifl
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--["No sense being pessimistic, it wouldn't work anyway"]-- Opinions==mine
Meldrew of Meldreth
2004-09-30 10:19:03 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Larmour
That Sidney panorama allows you to move up/down too. Click on the pic
and drag.
That would be a very good reason to have a spherical projection, rather
than cylindrical.

Must be a more complex problem to stitch together the photos so that
they are continuous over and under the camera as well as all around. How
do they get the clouds to "join up"?
--
"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"
Gropius Riftwynde
2004-09-29 18:02:52 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:44:31 +0100, Meldrew of Meldreth
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
Post by Nick Wagg
Perhaps one of the Cambridge colleges has some similar
arrangement that you could (sneakily) avail yourself of?
There used to be a bath-house in Sidney Sussex, and people were still
using it in the 70's. It was along the Chapel Wall in South Court. I
think it was eventually demolished to make way for a hyperspace^H^H^H
Mong Building. They didn't have the cycle park either in those days, it
was a fellows' car park.
http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/vtour/panoramas/south.html
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
Actually, having previously posted criticising the use of Java, I find
that in spite of several layers of security I can still run a
panorama.

The following is a link to panoramas at the clifftop Minack Theatre in
Cornwall, where the Cambridge G&S Society performed a couple of weeks
ago. The Minack always finishes off the season with a Cambridge G&S
production, so get yourselves down there next year.

http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/xbw09/gallery/panoramas/minack-panos.htm

GR
tony sayer
2004-09-29 18:45:44 UTC
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Post by Gropius Riftwynde
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:44:31 +0100, Meldrew of Meldreth
Post by Meldrew of Meldreth
Post by Nick Wagg
Perhaps one of the Cambridge colleges has some similar
arrangement that you could (sneakily) avail yourself of?
There used to be a bath-house in Sidney Sussex, and people were still
using it in the 70's. It was along the Chapel Wall in South Court. I
think it was eventually demolished to make way for a hyperspace^H^H^H
Mong Building. They didn't have the cycle park either in those days, it
was a fellows' car park.
http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/vtour/panoramas/south.html
ps Anyone know what tool they use to get those funky panoramas?
Actually, having previously posted criticising the use of Java, I find
that in spite of several layers of security I can still run a
panorama.
The following is a link to panoramas at the clifftop Minack Theatre in
Cornwall, where the Cambridge G&S Society performed a couple of weeks
ago. The Minack always finishes off the season with a Cambridge G&S
production, so get yourselves down there next year.
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/xbw09/gallery/panoramas/minack-
panos.htm
GR
There yer go, from a shower to giblet and sullyvan in a few postings..

Is there an SI unit for cam.misc thread drift?...
--
Tony Sayer
Nick Wagg
2004-09-30 08:23:44 UTC
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Post by Gropius Riftwynde
The following is a link to panoramas at the clifftop Minack Theatre in
Cornwall, where the Cambridge G&S Society performed a couple of weeks
ago. The Minack always finishes off the season with a Cambridge G&S
production, so get yourselves down there next year.
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/xbw09/gallery/panoramas/minack-panos.htm

It is a fantastic spot. We saw a friend perform in Mansfield Park there
as the sun set over/into the sea behind the "stage". Don't forget your
jumpers.
Mark Carroll
2004-09-30 11:57:16 UTC
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In article <cjgfqi$3od$1$***@news.demon.co.uk>,
Nick Wagg <***@transcendata.com> wrote:
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Post by Nick Wagg
It is a fantastic spot. We saw a friend perform in Mansfield Park there
Yes, it is. I think I've seen some Cambridge G&S there.
Post by Nick Wagg
as the sun set over/into the sea behind the "stage". Don't forget your
Wasn't it hard to see the performance under such a circumstance?
Post by Nick Wagg
jumpers.
Indeed. (-: I think I've only been to matinees.

-- Mark
Nick Wagg
2004-09-30 12:34:05 UTC
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Post by Mark Carroll
Wasn't it hard to see the performance under such a circumstance?
No because the viewing angle is sufficiently downwards that there
is little reflection or glare from the setting sun, although it provides
considerable distraction from the performance.
bob
2004-09-29 17:24:31 UTC
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You could always go to the council and present yourself as a filthy or
verminous person and ask to be cleansed under the Public Health Act 1936.
Post by Gus Honeybun
I'm having my bathroom renovated, and am currently without washing
facilities, and I'm likely to be for the next week or so. Whilst friends
are happy to let me use their places, I'd prefer to be a bit self
sufficient. Are there any public places in Cambridge where I could get a
proper (private) shower? Being a modest type of chap, sudding up my
genitals in the swimming pool showers isn't really my style...
Andrew Nightingale
2004-09-29 21:25:19 UTC
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Long time ago, the building on the corner of Mill Road and Gwydir
Street, still called the Bath House, offered bathing to the public. I
think I remember it closing, some time in the 60's when demand
disappeared and it was felt that pretty well every house in the area had
baths.
--
Andrew Nightingale of Cambridge (UK)
Bill
2004-09-29 22:04:52 UTC
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Post by Gus Honeybun
I'm having my bathroom renovated, and am currently without washing
facilities, and I'm likely to be for the next week or so. Whilst friends
are happy to let me use their places, I'd prefer to be a bit self
sufficient. Are there any public places in Cambridge where I could get a
proper (private) shower? Being a modest type of chap, sudding up my
genitals in the swimming pool showers isn't really my style...
Most motorway services have showers in the gents for lorry drivers etc.
I wonder if the Extra services on the A14 have one?
--
Bill
Jennie Evans
2004-09-30 09:20:45 UTC
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Post by Bill
Post by Gus Honeybun
I'm having my bathroom renovated, and am currently without washing
facilities, and I'm likely to be for the next week or so. Whilst friends
are happy to let me use their places, I'd prefer to be a bit self
sufficient. Are there any public places in Cambridge where I could get a
proper (private) shower? Being a modest type of chap, sudding up my
genitals in the swimming pool showers isn't really my style...
Most motorway services have showers in the gents for lorry drivers etc.
I wonder if the Extra services on the A14 have one?
--
Bill
They have them in the ladies too...... not that it would affect the OP but
just thought I'd say.....
Bill
2004-10-01 00:28:17 UTC
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Post by Jennie Evans
Post by Bill
Most motorway services have showers in the gents for lorry drivers etc.
I wonder if the Extra services on the A14 have one?
--
Bill
They have them in the ladies too...... not that it would affect the OP but
just thought I'd say.....
Thank you, I realised it sounded a bit sexist as I hit the send key, no
offence intended.

There again I was only speaking from personal experience and that does
not include the ladies!
--
Bill
Jennie Evans
2004-10-01 08:25:15 UTC
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Post by Bill
Post by Jennie Evans
Post by Bill
Most motorway services have showers in the gents for lorry drivers etc.
I wonder if the Extra services on the A14 have one?
--
Bill
They have them in the ladies too...... not that it would affect the OP but
just thought I'd say.....
Thank you, I realised it sounded a bit sexist as I hit the send key, no
offence intended.
none taken, I just thought it was worth noting :o) I guess there are some
female lorry drivers out there.....
Post by Bill
There again I was only speaking from personal experience and that does
not include the ladies!
--
Bill
Linda Fox
2004-10-01 08:32:53 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:25:15 +0100, "Jennie Evans"
Post by Jennie Evans
none taken, I just thought it was worth noting :o) I guess there are some
female lorry drivers out there.....
Oh...

<moves across to window>

They'd gone by the time I looked

<moves back to computer>

Just get on with your work, the rest of you. Nothing to see.

Linda ff on Friday
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